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Free Runner · Jun 03, 2009, 06:45 AM // 06:45

There are no dragons in Cantha. None at all. All the dragons that are visible are visible in Eye of the North. You cannot see any others in Elona, Cantha or Southern Tyria. The thing your talking about is probably one of the statues that shares its skin with the Twin Serpents of Underworld.

Konig Des Todes · Jun 03, 2009, 08:24 AM // 08:24

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Originally Posted by Obrien Xp

GWW has it on his page.

GWW=official wiki, GuildWiki=unofficial. Unofficial I avoid and does have the in-game shot. I usually avoid it like the plague because of how terribly wrong the lore pages are. If you go to the unoficial one *you'll see wikia in the url* then do yourself a favor and erase all memory of GW lore and instead look at the *currently being expanded by myself and others of the [Lore] guild* Official wiki.

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Originally Posted by Obrien Xp

Just to through it out, any thought on seeing as Glint is female and made of crystal like primordious, we assume he is male.

Mates? (like a husband gone bad millenia ago)

Seeing how they are "as different as Night and Day" I'd say the closest relation is that Glint was based off of Primordus when the gods created her *unless that's a lie like the stuff with Mr. Abby*.

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Originally Posted by MBTW

its not soley the light house, its the dragon-looking crap in KC. ill take some pics and post a visual compairison of Drakkar-Char Dragon

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Originally Posted by Myself

those two Lighthouses are Dragons

Two means two, or 2 if you must. Two meaning one in Shing Jea and one in Kaineng Center. >_>

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Originally Posted by MBTW

not decorations, the scaly lumps. will post pics

Never heard of statues with details, have you? I've looked and studied as best anyone can of both of those. They look just like stone, unlike Grothmar which you can see a non-stony color skin. Unlike Drakkar who is covered in Ice. Unlike Primordus who is covered in rock, most likely hardened lava.

Why would these two be covered in rock? There is no reason. How can a creature hybernate spewing fire with its eyes open and no pupil?

Please keep those most annoying theories with no backing other than good detail alone.

If you want me to continue... bah, I will.

GW2 and the Ancient Dragons were thought up during the development of Utopia. That means after Nightfall was finished *maybe not out yet though* and long after Prophecies and Factions were out.

Those two dragons have been there from the beginning. They were placed there as Dragon-shaped lighthouses. It is the Empire of the Dragon afterall. Besides looks, there is absolutely nothing to support this being a dragon. And there are many many MANY other statues that have good detail in them. Being detaled doesn't help the case. Because there should be no case.

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

There are no dragons in Cantha. None at all. All the dragons that are visible are visible in Eye of the North. You cannot see any others in Elona, Cantha or Southern Tyria. The thing your talking about is probably one of the statues that shares its skin with the Twin Serpents of Underworld.

No, what he means is *and god forbid for me to linking to this site, let alone these articles* this and this.

The first is what he means by "big dragon" as it is believed that the "Kaineng Dragon" is bigger than the other "dragon."

Neo Atomisk · Jun 03, 2009, 01:00 PM // 13:00

On Obrien's theory of Glint/Primordus, I wouldn't believe that to be possible.
Glint has been around for a few thousand years, and by our standards, an ancient creature. Primordus, however, is MANY times the size, age, and power of Glint. He has been around since near the beginning of time (or so we have been led to believe), and has power equal to that of a god.

...Not to mention Glint isn't that attractive :P

Any possibility of an ancient dragon in Cantha can be dismissed by 2 things.
1) Absolutely no mention of it in the Movement of the world
2) Both those statues have their eyes open, as does another one in Sunjiang District. Dragons do NOT sleep with their eyes open.

(Oh my god those lore pages are horrific, I want to delete them >_<)

But this does bring up the question, how did Canthans learn of dragons? the only way I could possibly see is through Kuunavang and the serpents in the jade sea...

Free Runner · Jun 03, 2009, 02:13 PM // 14:13

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

No, what he means is *and god forbid for me to linking to this site, let alone these articles* this and this.

The first is what he means by "big dragon" as it is believed that the "Kaineng Dragon" is bigger than the other "dragon."

I'm amazed anyone can even think they are Ancient Dragons. From just the picture i can see one of them appear to be spitting out lava.....

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But this does bring up the question, how did Canthans learn of dragons? the only way I could possibly see is through Kuunavang and the serpents in the jade sea...

From what we have in the Movement of the World it never says the Canthans know anything about the Ancient Dragons. And since they are cut off from Tyria, unless the Deep Sea dragon occasionally appears near Cantha or there is a dragon under it, Cantha should know nothing about them. They probably have their own troubles with the new Empire to worry about.

Neo Atomisk · Jun 03, 2009, 05:22 PM // 17:22

I mean the Dragons that they built statues of. but i forgot that dragons appear as non super magical creqtures in cantha. wasnt thinking, bleh

Lishy · Jun 03, 2009, 08:34 PM // 20:34

I think you guys are forgetting prophecies' original manuscripts.
It talks about the dragons about how they were defeated because humans can craft armor and weaponry while they cannot.

I forgot and I lost the manuscripts but it was something like that X_x

Anyways, the "kaineng" lighthouses look very similar to many other dragon monuments such as the "air" dragon.
I doubt they're the leading dragons, but perhaps generals of some sort.

Also, just a random thought, but I don't think we will be fighting the dragons. They may just be a faction of some sort.

Obrien Xp · Jun 03, 2009, 08:45 PM // 20:45

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

I think you guys are forgetting prophecies' original manuscripts.
It talks about the dragons about how they were defeated because humans can craft armor and weaponry while they cannot.

I forgot and I lost the manuscripts but it was something like that X_x

Anyways, the "kaineng" lighthouses look very similar to many other dragon monuments such as the "air" dragon.
I doubt they're the leading dragons, but perhaps generals of some sort.

Also, just a random thought, but I don't think we will be fighting the dragons. They may just be a faction of some sort.

I'll have to disagree with all of the above. All of it.

A lighthouse is a lighthouse, we've been over this. I am positive that we will fight the dragons. I doubt the dragons were subdued by humans just because, we had swords. There's far more to it than that.

Free Runner · Jun 03, 2009, 10:46 PM // 22:46

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

I think you guys are forgetting prophecies' original manuscripts.
It talks about the dragons about how they were defeated because humans can craft armor and weaponry while they cannot.

I forgot and I lost the manuscripts but it was something like that X_x

The Prophecies manuscripts dont say anything about humans defeating dragons. It however mentions something like what you said (sans the dragons) in that humans appeared defenseless at first but their desire to control and greed for power drove them to erect walls and forts while making armour and weapons. The passage in general is referring to how the humans appeared and drove out the Serpents (Forgotton) over time.

And yes the lighthous is just a lighthouse. Not a general or ancient dragon.

Konig Des Todes · Jun 04, 2009, 05:20 AM // 05:20

Shall I pick apart piece by piece? Yes? Ok.

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

I think you guys are forgetting prophecies' original manuscripts.
It talks about the dragons about how they were defeated because humans can craft armor and weaponry while they cannot.

I forgot and I lost the manuscripts but it was something like that X_x

Just look at what Free Runner said. It never said dragons. Re-read the manuscripts unless you're trolling. If you're trolling, gfto

And it doesn't matter if you lost the manuscripts, they are copied word for word on both wikis *well, at least the official one, should be on the unofficial too*

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

Anyways, the "kaineng" lighthouses look very similar to many other dragon monuments such as the "air" dragon.
I doubt they're the leading dragons, but perhaps generals of some sort.

It does not look like the "Ice Pillar Dragon" *the more accurate name, as that's the name of the concept art for that "dragon"*, as the :"Ice Pillar Dragon" looks more like an iguana. The only similar part of them is that they spiral around. And that is not enough to call them generals or dragons. It's not even enough to call the ice pillar dragon anything more than an ice pillar that froze a creature!

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

Also, just a random thought, but I don't think we will be fighting the dragons. They may just be a faction of some sort.

Anet already said that they are the antagonist. At the end of Ogden's Benediction, it talks about a threat as Primordus' eye opens.

While it's possible, that would mean that they have intelligence. Which does not appear to be the case from what we know of. Of course, what we know of them is limited and viewed from the attacked point of view and would thus be bias. So it may change.

Neo Atomisk · Jun 04, 2009, 01:29 PM // 13:29

Obrien probably got confused about when the manuscripts say something like "humans had no need for claws or hides, they could forge steel weapons and armor"

But there are no ancient dragons in Cantha. the oldest one is Kuunavang.

To beat Konig to it in THIS topic, "anet did not think of the ancient dragons until eotn." this means that we cannot see anything about the ancient dragons outside eotn, period. however, the dragons do employ the undead armies and navies of palawa joko and the corsairs.

Konig Des Todes · Jun 04, 2009, 06:08 PM // 18:08

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Originally Posted by Neo Atomisk

To beat Konig to it in THIS topic, "anet did not think of the ancient dragons until eotn."

orly?

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

GW2 and the Ancient Dragons were thought up during the development of Utopia. That means after Nightfall was finished *maybe not out yet though* and long after Prophecies and Factions were out.

Sorry, but you didn't even beat me in this topic.

Obrien Xp · Jun 04, 2009, 07:39 PM // 19:39

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

I think you guys are forgetting prophecies' original manuscripts.
It talks about the dragons about how they were defeated because humans can craft armor and weaponry while they cannot.

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Originally Posted by Obrien Xp

I'll have to disagree with all of the above. All of it.

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Originally Posted by Neo Atomisk

Obrien probably got confused about when the manuscripts say something like "humans had no need for claws or hides, they could forge steel weapons and armor"

Wasn't me. I was the next post.

draxynnic · Jun 05, 2009, 05:07 AM // 05:07

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

There are no dragons in Cantha. None at all. All the dragons that are visible are visible in Eye of the North. You cannot see any others in Elona, Cantha or Southern Tyria. The thing your talking about is probably one of the statues that shares its skin with the Twin Serpents of Underworld.

Saltsprays? Rockhides? Kuunavang?

I suspect you mean that there are no Ancient Dragons in Cantha - which is, as far as we can determine, true. The connection of Cantha with dragons comes more from the relatively weak dragons that are known to be present (of which Kuunavang and Albax appear to be the strongest known examples) and from the Celestial Dragon mentioned in the Dragon Festival, which may or may not be connected to Tah Mu but certainly doesn't seem to be one of Primordius' peers.

Gmr Leon · Jun 05, 2009, 06:53 PM // 18:53

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Originally Posted by Neo Atomisk

however, the dragons do employ the undead armies and navies of palawa joko and the corsairs.

That's incorrect. Palawa Joko's army, which is made up of undead and the living, is fighting the undead animated by Malchor, otherwise known as the Undead Dragon, or the Orrian dragon. Also, the Corsairs that were around Orr when it rose that didn't escape, were corrupted or reanimated to be subjugated by Malchor, and now patrol the Strait of Malchor between Orr and the Ring of Fire Islands Chain.

So, technically, Malchor has control over its own independent forces, and is more likely to be using the Undead Army of Orr, rather than Palawa's army. Not only that, but all the Corsairs really seem to have is a navy, or armada, and even then, I doubt they were all around Orr when Malchor rose, so only a part of its navy consists of the Corsairs.

draxynnic · Jun 06, 2009, 01:06 PM // 13:06

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Not only that, but all the Corsairs really seem to have is a navy, or armada, and even then, I doubt they were all around Orr when Malchor rose, so only a part of its navy consists of the Corsairs.

Actually, the reverse might be more correct - it wouldn't surprise me if Malchor's army was entirely composed of (former) Corsairs, but there's certainly no guarantee he's got all of them.

Konig Des Todes · Jun 06, 2009, 11:04 PM // 23:04

I'd say "Malchor's" army consists of what remains of the Orrian Undead that were in Orr, and the Corsairs who were in the area. Their Navy being fully Corsair Undead, and their land army being fully Orrian Undead.

Neo Atomisk · Jun 07, 2009, 02:36 AM // 02:36

woah, i've always thought palawa joko allied with the dragon. O.o
but still, Malchor is using the corsairs as a fighting force.

draxynnic · Jun 07, 2009, 07:01 AM // 07:01

Evil is not monolithic.

Besides, Palawa seems content to rule, while the Ancient Dragons' behaviour towards human (and other) civilisations seems to be limited to 'destroy'.

Obrien Xp · Jun 07, 2009, 10:37 PM // 22:37

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Originally Posted by draxynnic

Evil is not monolithic.

Besides, Palawa seems content to rule, while the Ancient Dragons' behaviour towards human (and other) civilisations seems to be limited to 'destroy'.

Some of them seem to prefer Destroy then raise armies, I wonder if they'll fight each other after they establish a foothold big enough to challenge one another.

Free Runner · Jun 07, 2009, 11:25 PM // 23:25

The Undead Dragons army is described as looking like draconian troops. So it could have its own minions and be using the corsairs to expand out. Or perhaps it uses the Corsairs as fodder while keeping its true forces closer to Orr (the passage does say that the troops are encountered inside Orr).

Or it could be just the effect of what happens when the dragons breath changes the victim. Each dragon appears to be holding its terrotory, excluding the Dragon of Grothmar Wardowns whos location isnt really clear. Primordus holds the Depths, the Orrian Dragon holds Orr, the Dragon of Ice and Snow holds the Far Shiverpeaks and the Deep Sea Dragon holds the sea. Not mentioning the "desert dragon" (i do wish Anet would answer as to if its a seperate Dragon or the Dragon from Grothmar).

So when you look at it, they could indeed be preparing to attack each other. It really depends on how long they have been around (as in awake, active and on the surface).